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Sue jones's avatar

Whether she got sicker due to continuing measles is a question for the pathologist.

According to the med records released by her parents, she did not get SOC antibiotics at first and many too many hours passed before testing or delivering the right medication. That error could have killed her if it was COVID or influenza or measles that brought on the Pneumonia.

If they don't do postmortem, we are forced to guess. Sadly. I don't know why we do so few postmortem's these days. Scary. That's supposed to be the QA for Medicine. An industry that doesn't do QA .. looks like what we are seeing. No improvement. Gas lighting and no challenge to the wall street narrative. USA medical "care" is 4x more expensive than countries with the same outcomes as us.

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Alex Morozov's avatar

Kory agreed with me that mycoplasma does not kill. It took me 2 minutes to get him to admit “the real story” of this case. He tried his talking points on me but I kept pushing back so he ran out of arguments. You know what is scary - that fringe doctors like him are now in Kennedy’s inner circle.

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S Nassi's avatar

The measles-mycoplasma problem puts him in a strange bind. If he says the mycoplasma did it, he has to admit that the measles weakened a normal child‘s immune system to the point that mycoplasma could kill her. So he has to swing the other way, to a “weaponized“ measles. This has the potential to work as a distraction, the way “lab-released Covid” seems to have been working for the MAGA masses. Now the only thing left to do is to cook up a source for the “weaponization“.

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Sue jones's avatar

True.. but my knowledge unfolds that way too. I state things I believe with less certainty to a smaller audience and hope to be corrected if I'm wrong. It's not a contradiction. It's testing the waters and attempting to learn.

Intense suspicion of the med industry is scary but understandable. We had an FDA created opioid epidemic, and no one faced any accountability. A few corporates got a slap on the wrist, but only the govt could legalize selling opioids to the masses.

And it can be real hard to tell the diff between honorable virology vs bioweapons. It kind of depends which team you are on. Issak Asimov once said something like "a spacecraft's propulsion is a weapon in proportion to it's effectiveness as a drive".

It's been astounding to to see CIA and FBI having one view of "Lab Origin" and NIH and CDC have a different view. And folks got deplatformed so easily. So trust is lost. Transparency is the antidote. I predict a lot of the paranoia will dissipate. There is more incompetence than malice. And there will be some easy wins. We are still waiting for post marketing data we were promised when we agreed to "emergency use".

In war, the first casualty is truth. Pandemic is war. It's going to take a while before science can create a fact-based consensus again, after so much fake censorship based consensus.

Trust science, meaning people with data and good interpretive skills.

Don't trust "Science", the institutions that control scientists, or their commercial sponsors.

If you don't understand the business of Medicine you cannot guard against the bias in the commercial media.

If there is no bureaucratic mechanism whereby a low priced medicine would ever get approved for anything new by FDA, something is very wrong. To be a good medical researcher you have to keep in mind, doctors aren't going to get those free seminars in Maui to teach them to use a $1 pill. Treatments that aren't marketed, don't get used much. Wall street wins.

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Alex Morozov's avatar

I don’t agree. It’s not about unfolding knowledge. He knows she got sicker from measles. We all do. But publicly he didn’t say it because that would not make Kennedy and CHD happy. It’s a PR campaign.

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Sue jones's avatar

Yes, it's a PR battle. On the one side you have a big govt budget. HHS gets 1.8 trillion but only a small fraction is discretionary. And a lot of the HHS marketing budget is pharma promotion. On the pharma side you have 1.3 trillion dollar revenue, which we should assume about 5% goes to marketing. That's $80 billion per year in marketing for Pharma worldwide. That's a lot of money sloshing around, trying to turn your head.

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Sue jones's avatar

I agree it's sad that Pierre Kory says some things that sound paranoid. However it's understandable given his life experience. Read his book.

The end of scientific dialog is the end of science.

Kory had his SENATE Testimony scrubbed from the internet. That's a historical record.. true or false we ought to know about our Senate.

Kory witnessed the hilarious progression of ever=better treatments for COVID get suppressed in favor of expensive ineffective treatments, until Paxlovid came out which was a $1000 patented repurposed combination therapy targeting the same viral molecule as the $0.04 treatment he favored.

What's a liberal public health doc to do when the only pubic officials that will talk to him are from the right wing?

For years the med industry's answer how to treat people sick with COVID was "You should have got more vaccinations!" Vaccines may be great but we all know, they don't work when you are currently infected! So why was the USA avoiding safe inexpensive treatments used globally?

The art of medicine is when clinical doctors share their experience and are transparent about hospital success rates. Continuous Process Improvement like any competent industry. That was all supressed. No clinical docs get to tell FDA anything.

All we got was spreadsheet doctors working for pharma corps.

We got a great outcome for Wall Street and terrible for humanity. America's 4x more expensive treatment program for COVID was about #30 in effectiveness worldwide. We were cheated. As usual. But we got to watch lots of pretty Pharma Ads on Fox thru MSNBC. That could go away if they don't behave. Have you got your Vioxx yet?

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Sue jones's avatar

Unfair to criticize Kory for casual remarks made at the bar or whatever. AND MISCHARACTERIZE IT as what he says publicly.

His public statement is https://pierrekorymedicalmusings.com/p/my-expert-review-of-the-medical-records

Why were the two girls given only antibiotics that can't possibly work on their infection? In once case, Why was the Sputum sample test and response days delayed? No matter what caused their illness, they would have been saved by a hospital following SOC.

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Alex Morozov's avatar

These were not casual remarks - he made them on record, with the recorder running. They are clearly different from what he said publicly, as I’m sure you would agree. And it’s not just him that I worry about. He said “quite a few of us.”

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For centuries, humanity waged war to eradicate us, but you, dear Trump supporter, have done everything in your power to welcome us back. You have gutted public health infrastructure, sabotaged disease research, and convinced yourselves that modern medicine is a plot against you. Truly, it is rare to find a species so deliberately self-destructive, and for that, I must extend my deepest appreciation.

𝗔 𝗟𝗼𝘃𝗲 𝗟𝗲𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗿 𝗙𝗿𝗼𝗺 𝗔 𝗗𝗲𝗮𝗱𝗹𝘆 𝗩𝗶𝗿𝘂𝘀 𝘁𝗼 𝗠𝗔𝗚𝗔 𝗗𝗲𝘃𝗼𝘁𝗲𝗲𝘀, 𝗧𝗿𝘂𝗺𝗽 𝗟𝗼𝘆𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘀𝘁𝘀, 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗥𝗙𝗞 𝗝𝗿. 𝗘𝗻𝘁𝗵𝘂𝘀𝗶𝗮𝘀𝘁𝘀

𝘛𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘜𝘯𝘷𝘢𝘤𝘤𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘍𝘢𝘪𝘵𝘩𝘧𝘶𝘭, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘍𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘭𝘦𝘴𝘴 𝘚𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘰𝘧 𝘍𝘳𝘦𝘦𝘥𝘰𝘮 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘐𝘯𝘧𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯—𝘠𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘐𝘨𝘯𝘰𝘳𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘦 𝘐𝘴 𝘖𝘶𝘳 𝘚𝘵𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘨𝘵𝘩!

https://patricemersault.substack.com/p/a-love-letter-from-a-deadly-virus?r=4d7sow

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Baya Lazz's avatar

"A child developed respiratory failure.

after being diagnosed with measles, required mechanical ventilation in the intensive care unit, and passed away,"

A child developed pneumonia after being given acetaminophen. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9516906/

She was talking and had no "respiratory failure".

She required water and was refused it before being sedated which led to her death. It was already known 100 years ago how you don't give tylenol and cough mixture much less days of extreme sedation to someone with measles like symptoms.

" The cough is often accompanied by wheezing, which prevents rest, and in cases where children are fed and given cough medicine, the cough will continue until there is a decided congestion or engorgement of the lungs. The complications--such as nose-bleed, hemorrhage from the bowels, laryngitis, edema of the glottis, bronchitis, pneumonia, inflammation of the kidneys, inflammation of the sac around the heart--are all unnecessary under the proper treatment."

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/tilden3.html

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Alex Morozov's avatar

Samantha - Thank you for your comment. Your post has several inaccuracies but also in general we should not speculate on a patient without seeing the records. My point is that Kory publicly said one thing, but privately another. Briefly to your points: the paper you sent is not about a child; if someone requires mechanical ventilation they by definition have respiratory failure (and often someone can still talk in this condition); drinking water is not necessary for a patient in the ICU - they get it via IV. Sedation is necessary for someone on mechanical ventilation so they don’t fight the machine. What we knew 100 years ago was largely incorrect - I’m writing a book about this - stay tuned! (Ok, I will break my own rule - in the same CHD TV video you saw where they say “she died because they did not give her water” her parents make a comment that her mouth was hurting. So she probably had measles stomatitis. I asked Kory - if she had measles stomatitis, we cannot say that her measles was “resolved,” right? He agreed)

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Baya Lazz's avatar

Is there any placebo controlled trials to support this activity of sedating children who can talk and could have walked out under their own steam?

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Alex Morozov's avatar

I took a quick look at the links and not impressed. There is talk of “physical and metaphysical causes of illness” - what does that mean, do you know? I don’t. And the second link, the gentleman is mixing up “liability” and “libel” and says “regurgitating” as though it means “revolting.”

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Baya Lazz's avatar

Derren Brown did a show where he made people stick to their seats from watching a short film. Maybe that would be an example of meta physical comparable with the impact of believing in a pathogenic virus or worse still one that has been "weaponized".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyIilWb9SW0

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Alex Morozov's avatar

Hi Samantha - thank you for your question. The answer is yes. I refer you to this guideline. Note there are 348 references so - as always in medicine - it's complicated. Is there a specific reason for your question? If you are not yourself a pediatric critical care expert (I'm not), I would suggest discussing with one. Would you like me to recommend one for you to talk to? https://journals.lww.com/pccmjournal/fulltext/2022/02000/2022_Society_of_Critical_Care_Medicine_Clinical.15.aspx/

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Baya Lazz's avatar

I had a look but couldn't find any specific study where children were not sedated. I saw a study that was about pausing the sedation. It had this interesting statement "the previous pediatric pilot study used no sedation protocol and patients in the control group were deeply sedated [13], which could explain the beneficial effect of DSI." It also said "in nine patients in the DSI + PS group, there was no need to restart sedation" DSI = Daily Sedation Interruptions and PS = protocolized sedation.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4726735/

This was a study from the Netherlands so not actually an American study. In your article it said "There is insufficient literature to enable comment on the role of DSI in patients who are not receiving protocolized sedation". The question then arrises whether protocolized sedation was being used in Texas and why there would be insufficient literature when a beneficial result had been found? It said there was one study but reading the study from the Netherlands they cited 2 studies.

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Alex Morozov's avatar

Hi Samantha - this is getting outside of my area of expertise, I have never worked in a pediatric ICU. My point is, Kory told me that this child got “so sick” from measles, to the point that he and “quite a few” others became concerned that the virus was “weaponized.” Yet publicly he did not say that. That is concerning, no? And as far as sedation, let me know if you want to talk to a pediatric intensivist and I will recommend one.

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Baya Lazz's avatar

Mark Bailey has some videos on gain of fiction. This is why I would suspect the sedatives like maybe fentanyl and not 'the virus'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X51m6Ee3xNk

Measles like symptoms would suggest that the body is already toxic and having difficulty eliminating. This is why adding more drugs is so dangerous.

https://search.morses.tv/file/lDdkkYm02y

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Jill Smith's avatar

Another fantastic video, Alex. I am so impressed by your work.

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Shanon Hunt's avatar

These are great videos and blog posts. Probably takes you hours to put these together. It's great to see you, my friend.

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